Hard flight phase: landing

[Wayne Pierce]

Rabie; Thanks for doing your video to show what and how you do it. Maybe others will show what they are really doing on their AAv flights.


Here goes a couple of items;

Your flight directors are not turned on, even if you're not using autopilot these should be on as they activate instrument systems you need to use. Your landing speed was a bit fast, almost 170kias. You had full 40 flaps out, I believe this setting is for emergency only. The autobrake was not set, so you burned up your brakes and the tires caught fire. Quite a bit of fuel for landing @ 38,600lbs.

At least you stayed between the ditches and walked away.

Thanks

[Arturo Carvajal]

Hi Rabie:

Thanks your video.

Landing manual is one of the most important skills a pilot must have.

Turning "ON" Flight Director (FD) helps a lot to mantain plane in LOC an GS during landing.

You made a lot of " Banking " going left and right. Try to make smooth and fine
touchs to Yoke to perform a more on the way landing. Also to follow GS trimming
fine and reach vertical speeds around 500 to 900 fpm

You need to reduce air speed to RS " reference espeed " your FMS gives you based on
total airplane weight and airport level heigth and weather conditions. Mantaining ON autothrust helps a lot
to control airplane speed during landing.

Safe fight!

Arturo

[Wayne Pierce]

what i do those days just training how to land ,at least switch off autopilot at 1000FT or 500FT on final approach.
so with training it'l be skilfull. loc, glide, speed, rate of descent, and angle of incidence in Touch down

The group of us virtual pilots whom fly the GFI's, and you know who you are, always turn off our autopilots upon approach ;and go manual. We have a little contest to see who gets the lowest vertical landing speed and keep it on the runway .

Like the checkrides; we are looking at how you fly the aircraft and your skills, we know the autopilot works and are not checking that.

WLP

[Theodore Martin]

So I'll add my 2 cents as well. It's all about the numbers - airspeed, Vref, weight, etc. 99% of the time I hand fly my landings. I think I've done maybe 4 or 5 autolands in my entire career here at AAV. I strongly suggest that during your final descent in the approach phase you click on the INDEX feature in the FMS. For the B737 this will bring up the approach screen which will give you the proper flap settings, approach and threshold speeds for the current weight of the a/c. If you follow those numbers you will make good landings the majority of the time. Those numbers are calculated and there for a reason.

With respect to your landing in the video, I could not see the weight of your plane but unless you had a lot of fuel you were too fast on the approach (as others have mentioned). Typical speed for a B737 landing is in the 130knts. to 140knt. range. You should also try to have a 500fpm to 700fpm descent rate when you are with in 3mi of the runway threshold. Sometimes this may mean you have to descend at 1,200fpm or more early in your final approach then level off a little to bleed off some speed and get to the proper decent rate.

Look at the approach numbers provided by the FMS and do your best to comply with them and you will have good landings.

Good Luck.

[Michael Natale]

http://www.flightdeck737.be/wp-content/ ... W-FCTM.pdf

I agree, by the book is the only way. Check out this manual. If you are looking to learn about the complicated systems and procedures of this aircraft start checking out it's manuals. It will guide you to the correct procedures for normal op's etc. Get yourself or make yourself a good checklist and follow it...this will help you standardize your flow so you are consistent. IMHO

Have fun !